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  1. Thank you , James, for all your hard work helping to restore the Historicist view into its proper place.It is very exciting to follow.

    A couple of questions about Scott’s facebook post. Certainly the 1st century Jews were waiting for the Messiah to appear, but was it under the auspices of a 1000 year reign? I am not sure this concept was universally anticipated by them, or even by a significant percentage of the 1st. century Jews. Perhaps I am wrong about this?

    Also when Scott writes the day of Christ’s return to judgment, that, “Right before that day, Satan is loosed on the nations and has power to deceive them once more as we see going on all over the world today.” Surely to imply that Satan has had no power to deceive in centuries past is a very bold conclusion. This, I think unfortunately, is the position that Amillennialists are forced into.

    Certainly the Reformers were often Amillennialists, but I think this is a consequence of the abiding influence of Augustine, whom they held in high regard.It is the next generations of prophetic interpreters who began to synchronize their doctrine about this matter. This came to fruition in the 19th century with such men as T.R. Birks, E.B. Elliott, and H. Grattan Guinness among others. All of these premillennial in their views.

    In Birks’ book on this subject, he makes the comment at one point, “It is strange indeed that any reader could assign the binding of Satan to the [present] period, when the word of God describes him as a roaring lion, seeking whom he can devour; or make the season in which he is chained in the abyss the same in which the apostasy is ripening, till it issues in the full-blown blasphemies of the Man of sin, whose coming is expressly referred to the working of Satan. (Birks, Outline of Unfulfilled Prophecy, p79)

    As for Elliott’s view of Amillennialism, he writes, “Yet it must be once more considered, by Protestants at least, as a direct historical contradiction to this theory, that for above 1200 out of the 1800 years during which it would represent Satan to have been bound and resticted from deceiving the nations, and Christ with his saints to have been reigning, I say that for above 1200 years of this period there should have prevailed over both Eastern and Western Christendom the two grand Satanic delusions of Popery and Mohammedanism. Had Augustine himself lived to see this, considering his evangelical views of Christian doctrine, that he would have been the first repudiate his own millennial theory.” (Elliott, Horae Apocalypticae, Vol IV, p143-144)

    For H Grattan Guinness’ view: http://historicism.com/Guinness/Light/light19.htm

    As for John Hartnett’s view of Isaiah 65:17-25, he makes a good case that these verses refer to the Church in this present age. Perhaps it does, but it does not mean that this is necessarily the 1000 year period spoken of in Revelation. This is an assumption he makes which I think is impossible to prove.

    His conversation with Mitch Cervinka appended to his post, he says some things which makes me wonder if he should be so sure of his conclusions. For instance he writes, “The Millennium idea is relatively new. Darby’s dispensationalism is less than 200 years old. It is quite ludicrous to believe the Church was without this as a major doctrine of truth for 1800 years.”

    The early church, contrary to this thought, was significantly premillennial.

    He also does not seem to give much credence to the Historicist view either in a comment just in passing, when he writes, “one could hardly say of Revelation or Daniel that those visions of beasts are historical narrative.” Certainly I attribute this to his never really having looked at the matter. I believe this is a grave mistake.

    I wonder if there is not a tendency for Amillennialists to discount the Historicist viewpoint? If I remember correctly, Michael Newkirk does the same, in his otherwise very interesting book. There is also a tendency to conflate Dispensational Premillennialism with Historic Premillennialism, as if the two were not completely opposing views.

    • Ron, I think there are good convincing arguments on both sides of the issue. And I think we would have great fun ruling the world 1000 years with Jesus if the pre-millenlial view is true. Ruling over who? According to my former pastor who was influenced by dispensationalism but who rejected two points of it, namely pre-tribulation rapture and physical Israel continuing to be God’s covenant people, the Millennium is going to be a time when the curse is removed and we will be ruling over the people who were not yet saved in Christ but who fought against the Antichrist and did not worship him. They survived both the battle of Armageddon and the wrath of God! My former pastor who is now with the Lord called these survivors the “anti-Antichrists”! How’s that for some biblical eisegesis! But the Bible does say, “they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” If this is literally after the return of Christ, we must be priests of God over people who did not yet receive Christ in this life. Or if you say none of the unsaved will be around then but will all be waiting somewhere in the spirit world for the final White Throne Judgement, it could be a good argument against pre-millenialism in my opinion. Either way, these interpretations don’t impact what I am doing today. On this website I want to expose the enemy and false doctrines that mislead Christians today.

  2. James, we shall have to amicably, but seriously disagree about all of this.

    I am troubled by the impact amillennial views might unwittingly have on the publishing of the gospel. If it is true, as Scott writes, “Right before that day [of Judgment], Satan is loosed on the nations and has power to deceive them once more as we see going on all over the world today,” then Satan was not deceiving the nations at the time the church of Rome received its power. Doesn’t this mean that in the amillennial view, Rome can not be Satanic in its origins? There are many evangelicals who believe this. Isn’t this a complete undermining of the verity of the historicist doctrine concerning Rome?

    I sincerely believe there is a fundamental contradiction underlying the amillennialist and historicist doctrines. I don’t think you can be both without compromising first principles.

    For instance, The coming of the Man of Sin is said to be after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, with all deceivableness of unrighteousness. If Satan was not deceiving the nations, but rather was bound at the time of the appearing of the papacy, and thus he was not able to deceive, then, can not one safely conclude the Popes until now are not the Man of Sin? This contradicts Historicist doctrine, and compromises the gospel. Just look at Ecumenism and the widespread acceptance of Spiritual Formation practices, all of which are led by Roman Catholic intrusions into the Protestant Evangelical churches.

    Who, then, is the Man of Sin, according to amillennialist doctrine? Will they say that the Pope may become the Man of Sin now that Satan is deceiving the nations once more? Wouldn’t this be a tacit form of futurism?

  3. This is what the Jesuits taught to bring the Reformed back to the Romish fold? Why would you then indulge in such a belief?

    The Roman Catholics have always believed it was their mission to subdue all nations so Christ could come back after His enemies were made His footstool.

    Jesus; however, said that His coming would be like the days of Noah. Did Noah subdue the world and bring in righteousness?

    I’m curious.

        • The doctrine of the millennial reign of Christ is NOT part of Jesuit preterism! You may call it Futurism, but not preterism. And Revelation chapter 20 verse six teaches it! How do you interpret that verse?

          Brother Mark, I’ll give you this: Because the doctrine of the Millennium is also part of Dispensationalism, I also wonder about it. But it’s the only doctrine of Dispensationalism I think it would be great if true. I know all the other views as well. Some of my friends are Amilillennial, but I can’t completely agree with them. Has there ever been a time in history when Satan has been bound so he could not deceived the nations? The Popes of Rome murdered millions and millions of Bible believers over 1260 years. Satan wasn’t behind those popes? I believe he sure was.

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