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  1. James, God divorced Israel but it could be after she changed her identity through being born again that He married her again all over. Old Testament Israel were the chosen people while the Christians are predestined to be born from above, justified, adopted, sanctified and glorified. The Israelites had the Law of Moses written on tablets of stone while the Christiams have the Law of the Spirit written on their hearts now. Christians have an earnest deposit of the spirit. The priesthood changed too from Levitical to Melchizedek Order. There could be many parallels between the Old Testament and the New Testament still isn’t revelation progressive? When you lay the Old Testament side by side with the New Testament I now like to imagine a step up between them. The Israelites didn’t have the Holy Spirit poured out on them like the apostles did at Pentecost. Now we are waiting for the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit coming in the future. Soon, I hope. You may find it interesting to google and read the essay The United States in Biblical Prophecy by Steven M. Collins on his blog.

    • Thank you Susan for your comments.
      One preacher I like, Martyn Lloyd-Jones said that true Israel has always been spiritual, not physical. God’s promises in the book of Deuteronomy to live in the land were conditional depending on their obedience! Paul in Galatians chapter 3 says that only those who are of faith are the children of Abraham.
      Galatians 3:7 KJV
      Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
      What faith? Galatians is all about faith in Christ Jesus!

          • Susan,

            I fully agree with James that faith in Jesus Christ is the focus of both Old and New Testament. In Paul’s writings their is a glaring point he makes over and over that you might want to investigate. It is in regards to the “flesh” as opposed to the Spirit. It will help you understand Paul’s insistence that “circumcision” is no longer important for the believer.

          • Richard, thank you for your encouragement. I’m sure you know that the Christian Zionists stand on what Paul said about Israel in Romans chapter 11. How can we explain that? The one thing that comes to mind is Paul wrote it before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I do not see how it can apply to the State of Israel today seeing that most of the population are Jews in name only and are not direct descendants of Abraham, but are descendants of a Turkish tribe.

  2. Thank you James! I have been discussing this very issue with someone on line. She is convinced that God is going to fulfill some of the Old Testament prophecies (those that she does not feel have already been fulfilled) during the Millennium to Israel “of the flesh.” Do you have any articles on “unfulfilled Old Testament” prophecies? that also argue the continuity of Israel between the Old and New Testament. I was going to use “Gog and Magog” from Ezekiel and Revelation to demonstrate it but have not thought it through completely yet. Thanks again! Richard.

    • Thank you Richard for your encouragement! The only unfulfilled Old Testament prophecies I can think of are the ones that talk about the Lord’s physical rule and reign on earth. Here are two Scriptures about that which have obviously not been yet fulfilled. The preterists might not agree with me on that, however.

      Isaiah 11:6  The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

      Isaiah 65:25  The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

  3. The Turkish tribe are the Khazars and they joined Judaism in the 7th century in a political move made by their leader. That’s one reason there are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews today. The Ashkenazi lighter skinned Jews are from the Khazars and I have read they tend to suppress and rule over the darker skinned Sephardic Jews who are from the original stock of Judaism.
    Then again we are all out of Adam and the Bible says not to get hung up on genealogy. Maybe God wants us to stop seeing so carnally and see God’s image in all people so we love and respect everyone as much as He does us.

  4. James,
    If you understand Romans 11 in the light of Romans 2:28,29 you will understand that Israel includes all the Gentiles who have come to faith in Jesus Christ just as the apostles had. There is no such thing in the mind of Paul of a Gentile church. We are all true Israelites if we are in Christ no matter what nationality we may be from, because as you have explained elsewhere that the church is a continuation of true Israel, and those who were broken off the “root” who were physical Jews by fleshly decent, are not true Jews, unless they of course are grafted back in, as Paul explains. When Paul says, and so “all Israel” will be saved, he is not talking about physical decent but about a spiritual relationship to Christ, who is the new head of the race.

    • James,

      Romans 11:26 Paul quotes the old testament regarding “Zion.” Those who want to believe that there is a future for physical Jerusalem (i.e. the Jewish nation -of the flesh) forget Paul’s use of the term in Galatians 4 where he refers to a “Jerusalem” that is from above. In the same context he affirms that the Jews (of the flesh) are in bondage (slaves to sin) and that the son of the free woman will not inherit with the son of the slave. In Romans 11:27 “For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins,” Paul is applying that O.T. verse to their then present situation. They like us have the opportunity to have our sins dealt with by the Covenant He establish on the cross. While it is true that Jews do have some advantages because they have been the recipients of the Covenants, and it is also true that God’s calling to them is irrevocable, the “way” into the kingdom has not changed. And when Jesus returns it is clear that it will not go well for those “who know not God, and those who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Thess. 1:8. The door is still open for Jews (of the flesh) to receive Jesus, and many of them have.

  5. James, your excellent points in your article reminds me of various dispensationalists who continually cry out even today that we must help geophysical Israel. Anything short of this is shirking Christian responsibility. (What ever happened to the Gospel of Christ, Romans 1:16? “For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power for everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”?)

    Fortunately, God has permitted sufficient evidence to discredit them including Cyrus Schofield, for example, available documentation on-line of their divorces and remarriages, accumulation of extreme wealth without much generosity back to God and man, living a life of opulent luxury as owners of personal yet expensive to operate and maintain business jets and motor vehicles, expensive mansion houses and grounds, items normally affordable by the extreme wealthy.

    One of these business jet owners only a few years ago resolutely refused to open the doors to his megachurch in Houston following catastrophic rain storms and flooding. The soiling of his church’s interior finishes to house these temporary refugees could have been easily repaired and restored after such an event, since they had the sufficiency to do so. Also, it could have been an opportunity to kindly share with them the Word of Christ. The church is not a building, it is the people.

    Yet, the sufficiency of God’s Word instructs the Christian of the need to know the Word personally, above what others state.

    1 John 2:26-27 (World English Bible) – “These things I have written to you concerning those who would lead you astray. As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.”

    As the Lord personally said himself:

    John 8:31-32 (WEB) – Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

    The cure for dispensationalism and false doctrine is a personal, thorough knowledge of the Word of God through personal reading and studying.

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