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  1. James,

    One clarification I would make.

    Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off [killed], but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

    Note the use of the word ‘and’ after “but not for Himself:” (a reference to the Messiah). This means a different person. The ‘people of the prince’ were the army of Vespasian the Roman Emperor who came and conquered Judaea. Under Christ’s sovereign will, General Titus pulled apart the Temple in 70 A.D., the Jews were sent into exile and hence the temple worship was terminated. And the land was ravaged by wars. This was still the Messiah’s doing, even though he used the Romans.

    Daniel 9:27a “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:”

    ‘He’ here refers to Jesus the Messiah, not the AntiChrist. The Hebrew grammar requires it be the Messiah, who is the subject of the preceding verse (v.26). He, Jesus, confirms the covenant (Galatians 3:17) — fulfilling the Law (Romans 10:4) — with many, but not all, in Israel.

    It is important to distinguish the other ‘prince’, who is not ‘prince of the covenant’, that is Christ.

  2. One more thought. We are told that the Temple in Jesus time (under Herod the Great, therefore the 2nd Temple) took 46 years to build (John 2:20) but this is not mentioned in the text in Daniel 9:25. But it may be the reason some have interpreted the 7 week period (7 × 7 years = 49 years) as a reconstruction of the city including the Temple. Could be the reason?

  3. James Japan,

    I hope you are well. I would like to share some thoughts with you.

    The “he” in Dan 9:27, that confirms the covenant, is the “prince that shall come”. The word, prince, is translated from Strong’s #H5046 and is translated plural in 6 or 7 places – look it up. The parties of the covenant are the Roman leader and the Arab Jerusalem leader of today. They are the people groups that destroyed the city in 70AD. Those two leaders (Pope Francis and Mahmoud Abbas) made a treaty in 2015 (Look up Vatican Palestine Treaty). It was confirmed by many in September, 2015, when the Vatican and Palestinian flags were both flown, as non-member STATES, for the first time ever, at the U.N. Headquarters in NY and Geneva.

    Seven years = 84 months. In the midst of the 70th week (84 month span/2 = 42 months) HE (the prince that shall come) shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

    (The Abomination of Desolation is Satan appearing on Earth. That happens 42 months prior to the consummation of time at Jesus’ return. Neither Satan or Jesus is here on Earth to confirm a covenant with many for the start of the 70th week – 84 month period.)

    Catholics, and Protestants as of 31 October, 2017, participate in their daily Holy Communion. They refer to that as the sacrifice and oblation. The Pope has the authority over them to call to an end of communion, in the midst of the 70th week, because Satan has appeared claiming to be God. (Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of me.”, remember? What could be more abominable and desolate than Christians not having communion and worshiping Satan?

    There is so much more. I have a son that traveled around Japan this summer. I asked him to share this but I suspect he didn’t as much as he could have. He is only 19 and taught himself to speak Japanese a couple of years ago. The Watchman’s warning must be sounded! The servants of our God must be sealed!

    God Bless

    • Peter, I covered in detail with several articles on this website http://www.jamesjpn.net/?s=daniel+9%3A27 why I believe that the 70th Week of Daniel was fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus Christ. He was the Prince that shall come! And I believe the Covenant of Daniel 9:27 is the same Covenant of Daniel 9:4, meaning the Covenant of grace God made with Abraham! Jesus confirmed it! Daniel 9:27 KJV
      And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:…
      The KJV makes it clear the Covenant existed before hand and not something made or entered into at the beginning of the 70th Week. Daniel 9:27 is a Messianic prophecy! Bible teachers in the beginning of the Protestant Reformation used to teach it as such. The Jesuits twisted the interpretation to a covenant made by a future Antichrist so the Protestants would stop looking at the Popes as the Antichrist. They sure did a bang up job, didn’t they? Unless you study the history of the doctrine you are sharing with me, you won’t find the truth.

  4. I should add:

    In Dan 9:27, the abomination and desolation lasts “even until the consummation,” and is part of the final week. There is no way to say the 70th week is already done because it ends with the consummation.

    I look forward to sharing more with you, if you have eyes to see and ears to hear.

    God Bless

    • If you compare Matthew 24:15 with Luke 21:20, you will know what the abomination desolation is! Luke clearly says “Jerusalem compassed with armies” It was fulfilled 70 AD. The Great Tribulation was THEN, and will not happen again. Jesus said so in Matthew 24! That chapter is all about the End of Israel, and NOT the Endtime!
      People tend to reject doctrines that are contrary to what they have learned over the years. I did too but then I found out the doctrines you are teaching are not what the early Protestants believed. Hence I started study the history of these doctrines and found out they were planted in the Church by Roman Catholic Jesuits! Please see http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-great-tribulation-of-matthew-24/

  5. Seriously James?

    I thought, “Any comments about this article are appreciated. (As long as you agree with me. :))” was said tongue in cheek.

    Pete

  6. James,

    I will look at the works in the link you provided. Will you please look at the following?
    The word “prince” in Dan 9:26 is translated from the Hebrew word “nagiyd”. It is H5046 in the Strong’s Concordance. Please look it up. I’ll expound on that below.
    The word “confirm” in Dan 9:27 is translated from the Hebrew word “gabar”. In the definition of gabar in the Strong’s Concordance, words such as pride, insolent, and contumacious are used (I had to look that last word up!). Those are not characteristics of my Jesus!
    The word “many” is translated from the Hebrew word “rab”. These “many” are not common folk!

    I do agree, the covenant existed before the 70th Week started.

    The prophecies given to Daniel were sealed until the time of the end. I put little value on doctrines from centuries ago. I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. I understand the Jesuits. The Protestants are part of the Beast as well. The prince that shall come is mentioned in Rev 17 as well: Rev 17:10, “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.”

    Please consider Jesus’ response to his disciples question in Matt 24:3, “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Jesus said, in Matt 24:15, ” When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)”. That abomination of desolation is there right at the end. Dan 9:27, “…and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation…” Consummation means we are done with this age.

    I’d like to share more with you. Please e-mail me!

    God Bless,
    Pete

    • Peter, I am not interested in watching videos based the thr Futurist school of interpretation. It seems to me you didn’t even read this article. And I have more on this site that explain my views about the 70th Week in detail.

      http://www.jamesjpn.net/eschatology/the-70th-week-of-daniel-delusion/

      http://www.jamesjpn.net/basic-bible/what-is-the-covenant-of-the-book-of-daniel/
      Why should I repeat them again here? If you don’t read what I have already written, why should I write more? You can either take the points I submitted, or leave them. I know it’s a major paradigm shift to see the Week of Daniel 9:27 fulfilled by Jesus the first half and the Apostles the second half, and the Abomination of Desolation fulfilled by the Roman Army 40 years later, but this is the Historist view all the Protestants held until Darby picked false Jesuit doctrines in the beginning of the 19th century and screwed up popular eschatology to this very day! I reject it all as FALSE! And I think I stand in much better company with the views of the godly men of the past compared to the corrupt money minded Bible teachers of the present.

      • James,

        The video is only a few minutes long.

        I did read those two articles. I don’t agree with them, nor do I agree with either the SDA or Catholic/Protestant eschatology.

        I do not have a website set up to share my research. Maybe that is what I need to do? I only share them by hard copy and by e-mail.

        I believe we are almost two years into the final seven.

  7. James,

    I looked over what you referenced and I agree with your view points on the Roman Catholic Church, and see things in the “Historic” prophecy perspective.

    I have to reiterate: In Matt 24:3, “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” I don’t see Matthew 24 as an end of Israel. Jesus is describing what will be the sign of His coming, and of the end of the world. World is “ion” in the Greek, which may have been better translated to “age”. This age has not been consummated. We are still in it.

    Also, I do not see the 70th Week being connected to the first 69. The first 69 are counted “from the decree” to return and rebuild, but the 70th starts with the “confirming of the covenant with many”.

    I should add, I am not a scholar. At least, I do not have any credentials as one. I don’t even have a BS degree. Many years ago, my prayer to our Father was simply, “I’m not understanding this. Just show me what you want me to do and I’ll do it. I want to serve You.” That’s when He started to make things happen. My opinions are not in complete alignment with any denomination or doctrine. They do, however, align with the Word and events of the world, both historic and current.

    I’m looking forward to your EMAIL! 🙂

    Pete

    • Peter,The proper context of the Olivet Discourse is not the end times, but rather about Messiah’s proclamation that the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed.

      The disciples understood the prophecy in Daniel 9, and they were inquiring about when the Messiah would cause the temple and city to be destroyed, thus ending the latter days of the Jews, who Messiah had just berated in Matthew 23.

      Matthew is the only one who wrote about the end of the age, Luke and Mark did not. The King James says the end of the world, but it should be rendered as ‘age‘ as it points to the latter days of the Jews, from when they were released from Babylon, until the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

      Daniel 9:26 warned the Jews that the temple and city would be desolated. Daniel understood that to mean that because the Jews would deliver the Messiah up to be killed, they would be desolated. This is why Daniel was so distraught.

      The reason you don’t see the 70th Week attached to the first 69 is because you were taught it wasn’t. That’s what I was taught too and believed for 40 years, just like you, brother. About 10 years ago a SDA friend told me there is no legitimate or sane reason why the final week should be in the future. I rejected the notion then. And why? Because it came from a SDA! But years later I learned it’s not SDA only doctrine but what all the early Protestants used to believe! The eschatology I used to follow came from a Jesuit priest to mislead Protestantism!! And it worked. Unless you see the Jesuit hand in it through your own research, there is nothing I can tell you that will change your mindset

  8. James,

    I just lost about 30 minutes worth of thoughts re-loading this page.

    You need to re-read Matthew 24. Jesus brought up the destruction of the buildings, not His Disciples contemplating the meaning and fulfillment of Daniel chapter 9. Maybe, these thoughts you have come from you listening to men’s teachings without checking them specifically out in the Word of God?

    Matt 24:14-15, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:” “Preached” is “heralded”. That was not done by the time Jesus paid the price on the cross, nor was it done by 70 AD. I believe it has been done now. Some believe it will be done when God servants are delivered up to the Synagogue of Satan and the Holy Spirit speaks through them. God knows.

    I see the end of the age in all four Gospels.

    The city and temple was destroyed by “the people of the prince that shall come”. “He” shall confirm a covenant with many leaders. I’ve covered this already with you.

    The reason I don’t see the 70th attached to the first 69 is because it is not in the Word of God. Also, if it was successive, it would not stretch past 70 AD (Remember: In the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease?). While the destruction of the city is mentioned in the prophecy, it was not done within the confines of the weeks that are determined by the prophecy. The 70th starts with the event: He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.”

    You should be careful who you identify with as Godly men. The Protestants are just as much a part of the Beast system as the Roman Catholic Church. You should read Exodus 12. We are instructed to keep the Passover FOREVER, not just until some guy named Constantine re-invents the Pagan holiday of Easter. (BTW, Easter is on the first Sunday, after the first full moon, after the spring equinox. That is not Passover, or three days later.) If the Protestants were so Godly, they would not have kept the Pagan elements of the RCC.

    I have to get to work.

    I’d love to get a chance to visit with you someday! I’m sure you’ve had an interesting life in Japan. I know my son would appreciate learning from your experience.

    I look forward to you sending an e-mail!

    Pete

    • Pete, you are continuing to repeat things that I and the early Protestants have clearly shown to be based on a Jesuit misinterpretation of Daniel 9:27! Everything you shared is not what you yourself got directly from the Bible, but what others have taught you. Come on, admit it! I was taught the same and believed like you do for 40 years! I’ve been there, done that, and used to teach it too. Now I see things in an entirely different light, Bible light, from the Word. For example, where in the Bible does it say the Temple of Solomon will be rebuilt in the Endtime? You cannot give me a single verse of scripture. You can only give me speculation. I can’t go on speculation anymore.
      I can’t write in detail because I am on the road with only a smartphone now.
      Please come to Japan and visit me!
      Your son is welcome too.
      God bless you!
      Bye for now.
      James

  9. James,

    You have not been paying attention! You can afford to pay attention! (That’s a joke.)

    This is my last comment. Here after you will need to e-mail me.

    In regards to your example, you are right, a third temple will not be built. I’ve been saying this to Protestants for years. I do not believe that another temple will be built.
    1. Protestants say the temple has to be built for the sacrifice and oblation to start so it can cease. I say (now I’m repeating myself) that the sacrifice and oblation that will cease is Holy Communion!
    2. In Rev 11, when John is told to measure the temple, Protestants say there must be a temple for John to measure! But,he is given a shepherd’s staff, not a yard stick. The shepherd’s staff is used to separate those (goats) that don’t belong in the temple (i.e. in communion with God). AND, the Holy City is tread under foot by the ETHNOS 42 months (i.e. 3 1/2 years) I say since Pentecost the temple is the body of the believers.
    3. Satan sits on the side of the North. Protestants say there has to be a temple to be on the north side of it. I say Satan takes a position of authority over the people.

    You have my email address.

    I’m still praying for you to be sealed.

    Our Father’s Kingdom Come and Will be DONE!

    Pete

    • “that the sacrifice and oblation that will cease is Holy Communion!”
      This is reading into Scripture something that is not there!!! The sacrifice refers to the animal sacrifices God had Moses institute. Jesus ended that with His ultimate sacrifice on the Cross. This is the Gospel!!

      I have giving you much information on this website, and you have rejected it in favor of teaching which Darby brought to the Protestants, Pete. And yet you expect me to listen to YOU? We can only agree to disagree.

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