1. So, the new convenant under Jesus Christ is only confirmed for one week (or 7 years, or 70 or 700 or 7,000 years, take your pick)? Isn’t that, umm, just inaccurate?

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   • This new Covenant is forever. The reason why it’s called a 7 year Covenant is because it took 7 years to make it — from the time Jesus started His ministry till the time Stephen, the first Christian martyr, was stoned. This is how I understand it now.

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2. NDZ, the New Covenant is everlasting, but in keeping with the promises made to the House of Judah, it was confirmed/offered to the Jews first for seven years. “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.”

   Messiah and His Disciples offered it to the Jews during Jesus 3 1/2 years ministry. For 3 1/2 years after Jesus death, His disciples continued to preach the Gospel to the Jews. Acts 2 testifies that many Jews came to believe in Jesus, through the disciples witness.

   Then when Stephen presented the Gospel to the Jewish leaders, they stoned him to death, marking their final rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. After that the disciples scattered to different countries sharing the Gospel with the Gentile nations. Peter was given the vision to present the Gospel to the Gentiles, and the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit. Paul was converted to become the Apostle to the Gentiles.

   So the covenant did not end after seven years, it is everlasting, and since then it has been preached to both Jews and Gentiles.

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   • Thanks David for helping me out! Any further comments you post on this site will be posted immediately without moderation.

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     • Hi again James! But wait. Daniel 9 clearly places Jesus’ crucifixion at the end of the 69 weeks.
       Jesus referred to that last week and the Tribulation to follow that week in the future tense. And that there would be the abomination that maketh desolate. Does that mean the stoning of Stephen? Prophecy is never so obscure as to require such tortuous reasoning.

       Jesus also gave some signs that would PRECEDE the beginning of the Tribulation half-week, adding, “the End is NOT YET”. Paul repeated this admonition, and quashed a rumor in his own time that said this very thing that this author is saying. In other words, Paul himself said that our modern “historical” interpretation for this 3.5 year period is wrong.

       That last week clearly is the same “time, times and half a time” elsewhere referenced, including passages where the numbers of days are counted. God wanted this to be clear, so it’s repeated in Revelation too.

       2nd Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
       2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
       3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

       Revelation clearly points to the Mark as being from this time. Other prophecies mention the alliance of 10 kings that destroy Babylon the Whore by fire as they share one hour of power with him. There are too many signs we are finally coming close to that time right now, in this time, NOT back then!

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       • Alan, Daniel 9:26 says that Messiah would be killed after the 69th week, but then verse 27 clarifies when that would occur.

         “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.”

         In the middle of the week is 3 1/2 years, and we know from the Gospel of John that Messiah’s ministry lasted 3 1/2 years, so we have a perfect match.

         We He rose again, He instructed His disciples to preach the Gospel to the Jews, which they did and the foundation of the Church is made up of Jews.

         But at the end of that 3 1/2 years, the Jews killed Stephen for preaching the Gospel to them, which marked their final rejection of Jesus as their Messiah.

         That caused the disciples to scatter to other countries, where they preached the Gospel to the Gentiles. Peter was given the vision to preach to the Gentiles, and the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit. Paul was converted and became the Apostle to the Gentiles, and established many churches.

         So the everlasting New Covenant was indeed confirmed with the Jews for 7 years first, then it went to the Gentiles too. Jew first, then the Gentiles, just like Paul said.

         You’re right, Jesus referred to the time of Great Tribulation, when He referred to the coming desolation of Jerusalem during the 3 1/2 years from 66-70 A.D.

         The first Roman army division surrounded the city in 66 A.D., and could have taken it, but they left suddenly for no reason (other than the hand of God). That was the sign that Jesus told the disciples to look for, the abomination of desolation, as Luke 21:20 clearly defines as when the army surrounds the city.

         Once the Roman army was gone, the Early Church left Judea and fled to the mountains. Shortly afterward, the next division of the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem and stayed there for a few years, causing a famine in Jerusalem, as they cut off the food supplies.

         Then in 70 A.D., they flooded the city and desolated the Jews and the temple, fulfilling Jesus words in Matthew 24 and Daniel 9 that the temple would be destroyed.

         1.1 million Jews died from famine, pestilence, infighting, crucifixion and by the Roman sword. Nobody buried the bodies for fear of being killed, so there were hundreds of thousands of bodies in and around the city of Jerusalem. It was a time of Great Tribulation indeed.

         The whole context of the Olivet Discourse was based on Jesus statement that the temple would be destroyed. The disciples were not asking about the end times, they were asking about when the temple would be destroyed, which we know happened in 70 A.D. That ended the ‘latter days’ of the Jews, the end of that ‘age’, as the leadership of the Jews was also desolated.

         You can read a Bible study that shows the fulfillment of the 1,290 and 1,335 days of Daniel 12, which occurred from 66-70 A.D., @ http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/daniel-12-prophecy-deception/

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         • Thank you for helping me answer responses, David. I am still learning about the history of that time. I was never good at remembering historical dates.

         • “”In the middle of the week is 3 1/2 years, and we know from the Gospel of John that Messiah’s ministry lasted 3 1/2 years, so we have a perfect match.””

           yet it is not a perfect match, we are taking some signs and ideas and excluding the specifity of others, did the sacrifices end ? No, but there are countless more prophecies, which of these came to pass:

           For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

           And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

           Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

           For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

           Behold, I have told you before.

           Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

           For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

           For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

           Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

           And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
           (Matthew 24:22 – 30)

           these are the events that follow the Abomination and lead into the time of the Great tribulation, none of these events happened, the Abomination was not placed, there is also a much wider context than the preceding verse (Daniel 9:26), chapters 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12 of Daniel all outline the activities of the final Beast power, including the placing of the Abomination

           but was the sun darkened, the moon darkened, the stars falling from heaven ? These are key prophecies that following the opening of the Sixth Seal (Revelation 6:12, Isaiah 13:10, Joel 3:15)

           And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

           The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
           (Joel 2:30 – 31)

           most of all the Messiah did not return, and more notable still, worse events have since transpired to the Jewish people, more evil has befallen them in the last century than at that time, which is to say an even worse time is yet to even begin (Matthew 24:21)

           the sacrifices did not end, and the very urgency of the Abomination being placed did not match the events of 70 a.d.

           this is a series of prophecies, concisely described in Matthew 24, that have not matched any apparent recognition with historical precedent, they are future prophecies, all believers have been forewarned to be spiritually and thus ethically prepared (Matthew 7:24), tribulation is yet to begin

         • I held your views on Matthew 24 and all the prophecies of Daniel for 40 years! I changed a little over a year ago because I learned that Daniel 9:27 is NOT about the Antichrist but was fulfilled by JESUS Christ! This is a very deep subject that most Christians who have been brainwashed like I was will immediately want to reject, but if you bear with me a bit, I can explain why I changed. About Matthew 24, please read this.
           http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-abomination-of-desolation-deception/ and tell me what you think.

       • How is the belief that it refers to Jesus more obscure than the belief that it refers to a future antichrist? Nowhere in the text does it even mention the words antichrist, tribulation, or even hint that it is a peace treaty with nations. Jesus clearly says that the abomination that acuses desolation are the armies encompassing Jerusalem. And the Temple and the City were in fact made desolate. The Holy City that is trampled in Revelation 11 is the same Holy City that is mentioned in Revelation 20… the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city. There must be consistency in interpreting Scripture.
         In addition, the texts does not say the crucifixion is at the end of the sixty nine, but rather AFTER the sixty nine. Regardless, nowhere is there any hint in the entire Bible that there will be a seven year tribulation. The saints will be worn down for a tome, times and half a time, the Holy City will be trampled for 1260 days, and the beast will reign for 42 months. While I believe this time of great tribulation is future, it has no connection to Daniel’s so-called seventieth week. I

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3. In establishing that the covenant of the 70th week of Daniel was Jesus New Covenant, one verse to look to is Isaiah 49:8, “Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages.”

   Jesus confirmed that it was He who was sent to be a covenant for the Jews, by his knowledge of the Words of God, by his teachings, by his miracles, by His shed blood, and by His resurrection.

   Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
   And give thee for a covenant of the people – The ‘people’ (עם ‘am ) refers doubtless primarily to the Jews – the better portion of the Israelite people – the true Israel Romans 2:28-29. To them he was first sent, and his own personal work was with them (see the notes at Isaiah 49:6, as His light then shined on the Gentiles).

   Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible
   Give thee for a covenant; to be the Mediator and Surety of that covenant, which is made between me and them; as Christ is called, Hebrews 7:22; 8:6; to renew and confirm the covenant, which the Messiah is said to do, Daniel 9:27, by his own blood, by which God and men are reconciled and united one to the other. And therefore he may well be called the covenant by a known metonymy, which is very usual in such eases, as upon the same account circumcision, the sign of the covenant, is called God’s covenant, Genesis 17:10, and the paschal lamb is called the passover, Exodus 12:11, and the sacramental cup is called the new testament, Luke 22:20, and the communion of the blood of Christ, 1 Corinthians 10:16. Of the people; indefinitely of all my people, not only Jews, but also the Gentiles, as may be gathered from the context, and by comparing this place with Isaiah 42:6, where the same phrase is used; from both which places it is most manifest that the Messiah is designed, and not Isaiah, to whom this and divers other phrases here used cannot be ascribed without great force.

   John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
   and give thee for a covenant of the people; Jews and Gentiles, all that are given to him, and whom he redeems by his blood, whom the Spirit sanctifies, and applies the blessings and promises of the covenant to; which is to be understood of the covenant of grace: Christ is said to be given for it unto them, he being a covenantee in it; the representative of these people in it; the surety of it for them; the Mediator and messenger of it to them; and the ratifier and confirmer of it; and as he is the great blessing of it, the sum and substance of it; and as all the blessings and promises of it are in him; and this may respect the constitution of the covenant from everlasting, and the manifestation of it in time; and this is a gift of God honourable to Christ, of free grace to his people, very comprehensive and unspeakable.

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4. James I love your site and you, & devotion to Our Lord. ‘Will keep coming back–disagree on our point of eschatology however, and I will not my Brother beleaguer the points. Usually do not respond but do disagree with David Berg’s view of Israel & the ecclesia–God is merciful where we are not. Jacob’s trouble from Jeremiah and Daniel 9 I believe coincide. We are still under Rome, the last world empire, according to Daniel 2 vision of Nebuchadnezzar…”till the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” God will turn again to his people Israel whom He has not forsaken (Romans 9-11). ‘Contend that Premillennial view was NOT created by Rome, for many reasons, but primarily it places them in the place of the anti-Christ (which you apparently agree), and the Harlot False Church in Revelation, The Catholics did indeed invent and promote Amillennialism early on that ignored desolate Israel the true believers and places Rome and the pope in the driver’s seat of divine intentions, negating God’s covenant with Israel. Israel is not lost to God.

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   • Mark, thank you for your love and heartfelt comments. I would just like to point out that 97 percent of people who call themselves Jews today, and even those who live in the nation called Israel, may not in fact be genetically related to the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please seehttp://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/

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5. fascinating!! I’ll have to read this in detail and youtube it later. . . thanks for your faithful hard work brother! The work David did was often exploratory and not by any means the final say … and yes indeed Jesuits are creeping around everywhere, influencing everybody everywhere especially any Christian groups like ours, we’ve spoken on this before. GBY!

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6. BTW Brothers I have gotten ahold of some old Dad tapes on Daniel and other topics, I’ll be posting them. Here’s one:

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sljFMNGYVTM&list=UUhRlNvpsbs5JF_ehZKy_Nnw&spfreload=10

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7. these ideas require adequate analysis, and I’m saying this because presently I’m going to directly comment on two statements from the article and see whether these are necessary accurate:

   “”Matthew and Mark recorded similar words, but Luke gave us more details, which define what is the sign of the ‘Abomination of Desolation‘.””

   the Abomination is mentioned multiple times, when the Messiah makes mention of this specific prophecy it is within the context of Daniel’s visions concerning the end time. Daniel chapters 7, 8, 9, 11 and 12 all converge. They begin by describing the world powers that will rule the Earth (and this is notable because it speaks to ‘Babylon’, the spiritual power, influencing each successive iteration) and then describes the time leading to the Messiah, what happens during those times, and the final events that happen at the end

   Daniel describes the Abomination in multiple verses, but not only the Abomination, this is very useful for clarifying all other verses, but also the ending of sacrifices:

   And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

   Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

   And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

   Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
   (Daniel 8:10 – 13)

   in particular we should see how verse 11 describes these events (i.e. is this talking about the Messiah or the Little Horn (Beast, Revelation 13) ?

   And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
   (Daniel 11:31)

   Daniel 11 as a whole is also if not more importantly specific on this matter, and does it speak to the Messiah or the ruling power of the final form of ‘Babylon’ in the final times ?

   there are more verses still, but we can see the meaning here is qualified and established, these verses and the one who sets the Abomination and ends ‘sacrifices’ (whether we read this as spiritual or physical at this time I leave aside for now) are not talking about the Messiah

   there is a division between Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27, but what is also often overlooked is that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 a.d. is not spoken of in Daniel 9:27, it happens in Daniel 9:26:

   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
   (Daniel 9:26)

   the destruction of “the city and the sanctuary” happen in advance of the sacrifices being stopped, how is that so ? Because Daniel 9:26 is the penultimate week, the final week is yet to begin, and when we put the meaning of Abomination alongside its qualifier (which is the conjoined effect of the ending of ‘sacrifices’) as determined by the context of Daniel’s writings the picture that emerges shows this is not speaking of the Messiah ! It is speaking of someone who will invade and destroy large parts of Jerusalem in the final times

   to briefly include one more comment:

   “”Luke 21:24 confirms that this section of Jesus Olivet Discourse would be fulfilled in 70 A.D., not in the end times.””

   not necessarily, there is no reason in itself to suppose this could not happen in the future, but there is a reason to note why these prophecies are specifically for the future:

   So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

   Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
   (Luke 21:31 – 32)

   the Fig Tree prophecy is integral to understanding Matthew 24 (and Mark 13, and Luke 21), it says “all” will be fulfilled in that generation. Now oftentimes this is read to mean ‘this generation’ now, but the meaning is the generation in which all of these prophecies come to pass. Did all of these prophecies come to pass ? Most of all, the return of the Messiah ?

   these events did not happen after 70 a.d., they did not happen to that generation (among many other examples leading up to the same time), they did not happen because they were not the time of the prophecies

   we must be prepared for tribulation, we don’t know when, but we are forewarned it will happen at the end, when all of the prophecies outlined in Matthew 24 concerning the end of…

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8. James, you’re getting confused about Matthew 24.

   Daniel obviously refers in 9:27 to a contiguous seven-year period. That lines up with “time, times and half a time” as we all know. This time period is repeated half a dozen times in scripture so as to be clear about it.

   I say “contiguous” because “in the midst of the week” is when the AC breaks the covenant and sets up the “abomination that maketh desolate spoken of by Daniel the prophet” and THAT is the link between Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24. Jesus said explicitly that THAT act starts off “The Tribulation”. So YES it’s hard to fathom I know but man oh man God help us be ready for worse.

   Jesuits today, and their dark master the new usurper coup-installed (in my opinion) socialist Anti-Pope, are delighted to see so-called “anti-Jesuits” put the Antichrist so far in the past, because that takes them off the hook for the plans they have for us, in cahoots or in sync with the other dark societies.

   So associating the stoning of Stephen, and the Roman destruction of the temple, both, as within the Last Week of Daniel does not compute.

   Both the Mark and The Bomb would make it worse than anytime in history. The Hiroshima bomb and the Nagasaki wiped out a minority Christian community, but they were the biggest Christian populations in Japan in those days.

   Bitcoin looks like an anti-government thing, which is why some libertarians embrace it, but it may be a Trojan horse to get people accustomed to an embedded “wallet ID” that connects to the Web. Sweden has announced plans to convert to 100 percent electronic currency in only five years. Central bankers are publicly discussing it.

   At anarcho-capitalist web news portal http://www.lewrockwell.com and economics web site http://www.mises.org there are few “Austrian school economists”-* who are sort of predicting both a move to pure e-currency (my term for it) because that way they have control and access to 100% of our bank accounts. That way they can also go into negative interest rates to help them keep the green paper pig and its cohorts from inflating (devaluating) out of control.

   *-Austrian economists are associated with free market economics, and they show how socialist and Keynesian (print more paper pigs!) economists destroy prosperity. Like what David said.

   World geopolitics today line up with what you would expect for leading into the prophecies of Ezekiel 33-34 and 38-39, and Daniel, and Matthew 24 (and its gospel counterparts), 2 Thessalonians, 2 Corinthians, and Revelations.

   http://www.truebook.wordpress.com

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   • Alan, I don’t think you actually read the article you are commenting on, for if you did, I think you would realize that it is only from the 19th century Protestants have interpreted the “he” of Daniel 9:27 as the Antichrist and the “covenant” mentioned in that verse to be some kind of Endtime pact the Antichrist makes. It is nothing of the sort. The Covenant is the same Covenant mentioned in verse 4 of the same chapter. These are the main points I want to put emphasis on. All the other points you bring out are not relevant to this discussion unless you first identify the He of Daniel 9:27 as Jesus the Messiah and the Covenant as the Covenant of Grace God made with Abraham. I will not debate these points with you for this is the interpretation of Protestant leaders up till sometime in the early 19th century. Take it or leave it.

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9. You said in your piece that the noun or pronoun determines who is being spoken about, yet you completely skipped over the prince that shall come, which comes after Messiah in the verse. He is the last one mentioned before he talks about who is making the covenant. And his title is in lower case letters, so it cannot refer to Christ the Messiah.

   Antichrist is going to tell the world that he is the Messiah and place himself in the temple of God. This means he is going to make “the” covenant with the Jews. After all he is claiming that he is God and that he has God’s authority. So he will be promising them what only God can promise. It’s just that it’s a lie.

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   • The “prince that shall come” of Daniel 9:27 who destroys the city and the sanctuary is General Titus whose army destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD! That is clear as crystal in the light of history. The reason you don’t see that is because you have listened to John Nelson Darby’s / C.I. Scofield’s twisted interpretation of Daniel 9:27 which is something the early Protestants did NOT teach!

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