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  1. One. The truth is really that none of the real scholars believed in ancient history included that the earth was flat.

    It was a later biographer of Columbus that invented the idea that Christopher Columbus had “disproved the Earth was flat”. That was hyperbole. They all knew India was “that way” (east) but they thought it was too far to be practical for the ships they could build. Many Greeks wrote that the Earth was round. In Job is a verse that lifts up God as the one who “hung the earth on nothing”, and somewhere else the Bible refers to the “circle of Earth”.

    If the Flat Earth Society (or ?) is having a resurgence, it is to bolster the very much failed hoax of “global warming”. Mark Stein is on a youtube video from a climate conference hosted by the Heartland Institute, where he shares about the “hockey stick fraud”, in which Michael Mann’s hockey stick warming graph is proven to be a hoax (not to mention his part in the Climate-gate scandal that also exposed them).

    The Bad Guys Club is getting desperate to control the wild Internet. Things are coming together in the Middle East according to Bible prophecy and David Berg’s prophecies, so God help us to be prepared.

      • James, I was really appreciating all of your posts until I came to this one. Your lamp model is completely misleading. The sun is in the earths atmosphere so it would shine on a small amount of the flat earth at a time. Also, “It is Written” – God made a light to rule the day and a light to rule the night… (NOT a light that reflects the sun to rule the night). Now occasionally both of those lights can be seen at the same time from my yard. Hmmm – so James – since it is daytime on my side of the “globe” and I can see the MOON – why don’t the people who are having night time on the other side of the “globe” have any light. God promised them LIGHT and that light happens to be showing up in my day time sky which means they CANNOT SEE IT! This is so simple a 7 year old could understand it. Next I will explain that when birds fly south for the winter, (National Geographic says) they use the earth for reference. However, if the earth was a ball (traveling an ungodly 1,000+ mph) the birds would either need to travel just as fast to keep their references below them or they would not use the references at all and not land directly south from where they started as professionals say they do. The only way bird migration makes any sense is if we live on a flat earth. Because of the Van Allen belts – NO ONE can leave earths atmosphere! You of all people should not be fooled by NASA. Come on here – I could go on for hours with more proofs that the earth is flat! Are you really a Christian with the Holy Spirit? Ask God for wisdom like I did!

        • NASA didn’t tell me the earth is a globe, my own senses confirm it when I saw the sun drop over the horizon of the earth’s curvature the other day. It was a water horizon too, the Pacific Ocean. Water does bend over the curvature of earth. The Holy Spirit did not tell you the earth is flat, some YouTube guy with an UNholy spirit did.

  2. Dear brother, im not decieved nor im trying to decieve anyone but since i saw a lot of proof i do believe that the earth is flat! there aber many biblical passages for that which is the most important part. For example Math. 4,8. The videos you are showing here are debunked already, please try to take a closer look into it! and no, the vatican is not trying to set it up to mislead the people, its the opposite! God is showing us more and more truth because we live in the false tribulation and the real will start in 2021/22. and knowledge will rise Daniel says.
    alone the flight routes proof that. check it out, dont have fear James, dont try to run away from it! And how come you trust blind this false prophet and deciever david berg?
    Paul from Canada

    • Dear Paul,
      I have three points for you.

      #1 It’s interesting you bring up David Berg because if you look carefully on this website, the preponderance of the articles exposing the Vatican and the Jesuits and the Pope as the Biblical Antichrist are not part of his teachings! And my new views on the 70th Week of Daniel being fulfilled by Jesus Christ and not some future Antichrist are definitely opposite of what David Berg taught me. Does not that make your statement about me blindly trusting him untrue?

      #2 I don’t believe you are intentionally trying to deceive anyone but if you believe in Flat Earth, I believe you have been misled. There is not a single Bible believing Christian of any reputation who has ever taught flat earth, and there is no scientist of any reputation who has taught flat earth. I have proven to myself the earth is round. The higher I go above sea level the further away the horizon appears. Just looking out the window of an airplane shows me that. If you don’t accept the physical / mathematical principles behind why this is so, brother, you are in denial.

      #3 Setting dates like 2021/22 is a no no. Jesus said so in Matthew 24:36:

      But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

      Jesus said only the FATHER KNOWS! If you say YOU KNOW, you are not basing your views on the Word of God.

    • June, the other day I saw a sunset over the ocean. My world became dark but the sun continued to light the other half of the earth. A spherical earth is the only logical explanation for this. The sun is NOT in the earth’s atmosphere! All energy on earth comes from the sun and it is a nuclear fusion generator which would destroy the planet if it was too close. It is only because of Social Media such as Facebook and YouTube that you believe the earth is flat, June. Come on now, admit it! I don’t knock Social Media for that is the medium that introduced me to my wife, but you know, one has to be careful not to have a too open mind about anything! People are telling me about the Mandela Effect and Q Anon and I consider them both to be disinformation. The Bible tells us to judge righteous judgement, and Jesus said NOT to judge after the appearance! Flat-earthers have told me, “show me the curvature”. Could an ant see curvature on a balloon that is a million times the size of its body? The fact is if you live in Mainland America, my day in Guam starts about 15 hours before yours does. That is because of the slooooooow rotation of the earth, one revolution every 24 hours, in relationship to the sun.

    • June, to say “sun is in the earths atmosphere so it would shine on a small amount of the flat earth at a time” is something you are repeating from a YouTube filled with specious arguments and goes totally against principles of geometry and physics. If the earth were flat we would be able to the sun from anywhere on earth! Why does the sun appear LARGER when it sets over the horizon? According to your flatearth model, the sun should get smaller and smaller until you can’t see it anymore. It doesn’t.

      specious argument – an argument that appears good at first view but is really fallacious.

    • I am a Bible believing Christian, and I know of no preacher of the Word of God of any credibility who teaches the earth is flat! You are following a cult, June.

  3. I believe in the flat earth theory from a scientifical standpoint. I was for a long time atheist like most Swedes tend to be and I have been studying all the western knowledge hard with Mathematics and Engineering on a high level. I have also studying painting on my free time.

    Now from my belief and rational thinking I now believe the earth is flat. First I can attest to not being Christian, but believe in popery domination could be true. The law of perspectives dictate the further away an object exist the smaller it gets and from Physics we know there is an limit to the eyesight as the angle gets smaller to a limit. Eagles as we know can see much farther than us humans.

    The sunrise and sunset is actually an optical illusion. The sun does not go down it is just moving away from us. The sun can be seen 24-7 on the northern hemisphere during the summer because the sun just moved not far enough the sun lights could still hit us. That would be impossible on a round earth. Search myperspective on Youtube for video on this.

    Secondly, how far the eye sees is limited by how up high we move on a mountain. On a round earth the horizon would become more and more rounder the higher we go. I saw a great Photo on this from a geographic interested Christian.

    Thanks anyway for opening my eyes on the popery. I got deluded for a while on a Swiss conspiracy, but decided that both sources were not believable.

    Cheers

  4. Hi James Japan. I was looking into the flat earth theory a while back as I was hearing it being preached on various Christian and conspiracy online radio programs. I have seen no evidence that convinces me that the earth is flat as of yet. Although some amateur space explorers did send a balloon and rocket into space with a video camera not long ago, and they seemed to document a flat earth, but this was not enough evidence for me. I try to always remain open minded as I believe many conspiracy theories out there are true, but I have simply not seen enough evidence to convince me that the earth is flat. I believe we need to “prove all things” as the Bible says. Also, if you own an amateur telescope you can clearly observe that all of the planets in our solar system are in fact round and not flat. If the earth was flat then surely the other planets in our solar system would be flat also. Regarding other comments people are making about David Brandt Berg, I think people are being a bit rough by calling David Berg various bad names. David Berg did help bring many youth to the Lord in the 1960’s & 70’s, so he did do many good things and helped get a lot of people saved. David Berg to his credit did write about the New World Order and John Todd before anyone was really discussing these issues, so this also gives Berg some credibility in my eyes. I think James Japan is adding some more layers onto David Berg’s work by addressing the: Vatican, Jesuit Order and Protestant Reformation. Separation from Rome and adhering to the doctrines of the protestant reformation are vital components of being a Biblical Christian.

    • Thank you Reptilian Dimension for your good comments and encouragement! I just wish I could sell TFI on the Vatican / Jesuit issue.

  5. Not even a single fact in here proving the earth has curvature. Every mile results in 6 inches of curvature but then in factors of prime. The skyline should be hundreds of feet below the horizon. Also show me an actual video of the earth spinning in HD from outer space. The whole earth. Then tell me why NASA photos all show continents at different sizes and tell me why they are still using the false map.

    • Not even a single fact from you that it does not have curvature, only your opinion and specious arguments.

      • James you are not even listening or rationally trying to understand and because you “get” everything else – I question your authenticity here. Like are you really a Christian. The earth is Flat. There is no such thing as gravity and WATER DOES NOT CURVE. This is so elementary! Please tell me that in 2019 now you have finally changed your mind on this topic.

        • June, sad to say I know of several people who I believe to be truly born again Christians by the blood of Jesus Christ shed for them on the Cross of Calvary, and yet they believe things that the Bible does NOT teach! For example, most evangelicals teach that the Bible predicts the Temple of Solomon will be rebuilt and that the Antichrist will make a 7 year covenant with the Jews so they can rebuild their Temple. The Bible says no such thing! It is you who are not listening, June, to the truths I have posted on this page. You have chosen to listen instead to strangers you do not know. I am positive that you have many close Christian friends who do NOT agree with your position that the earth is flat.

    • You make no explanation for any of the dozen or so points that are completely irrefutable. Seeing far distances……Time zones……star patterns……..Moon visibility……..So what you are really saying is no matter what you can’t prove to me the earth is flat because you don’t have a spaceship……When snow is in the forecast and you fall asleep and wake up to see snow on the ground do you believes it snowed or that a magic fairy placed it there? You didn’t see it fall? Science uses observation and experiment to make conclusions…….You don’t

  6. wow, ignorance at its finest, earth is as flat as flat can be, that’s the way our heavenly father made it, the ball earth “theory” is flat out stupid. So we can fall off a flat earth yet cant fall off a ball??? Think about it….

    • The “ball” you are referring to is 7,900 miles in diameter! Gravity keeps us falling off. Can a pancake have gravity? NO! And you don’t even believe in gravity but yet are afraid to violate it by jumping off a building. Hypocrisy! The fact is, you are probably living in the cold north and spending money on heating oil, and I can swim the ocean year around in a tropic climate thanks to the fact of a spherical earth where the light from the sun warms my tropical island of Guam year around and you only in the summer. YOU think about it.

      • Density and buoyancy keeps butterflys afloat and makes people die when they fall from buildings. This is so simple to understand. Gravity does not exist! You are brainwashed by the Antichrist on this one James Arendt! – just like they want you to be!

        • It is YOU who have been brainwashed, June Dickerson! This flat earth belief is held by mainly English speaking Bible believing Christians. This tells me Flat Earth is an ATTACK by those who seek to pervert the Gospel of Christ! You would NOT have been brainwashed had you not been connected to the World Wide Web of lies.

          I’m gonna tell my pastor, a Baptist minister, that you told me I must not be a Christian because I don’t believe the earth is flat. Let’s see what he says. I can almost hear him laugh now.

        • Gravity does not exist, you say, and yet you chose to live as it DOES exist by carefully watching your step in the woods or climbing hills so as not to fall. Don’t you know what they call people who preach one thing and yet live counter to what they preach?

  7. did you take into account that Chicago’s elevation is lower than Michigan’s so you theory of not being able to see the bottom of the buildings does not hold any water. Just like everything else you have said about the flat earth. Spinning on a ball would be insane! So those who choose that line of thinking are going to continue to have other insane thinking!

    • The earth is not spinning, June. If you take a basketball and turn it one revolution over a 24 hour period, did you spin it? And Chicago’s elevation is NOT LOWER than Michigan’s, it is HIGHER! The further west you go, the higher the elevation gets which is why Denver is one mile above sea level.

  8. Joshua 10:13: So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge
    Upon their enemies.Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

    So why does it say “the sun stood still” when it’s the earth that is rotating around the sun? Just a thought. . . .

    • It says it that way because the writers God used to produce the Bible were not inspired to write about things of the natural world that were beyond their own worldview and knowledge base. To us it appears the sun is moving across the sky when it is really the earth that is revolving. But if you want to compare Flat Earth with Geocentricity, I have got to admit Geocentricity makes a lot more sense than flat earth and something the Bible seems to teach. However I don’t know any dedicated Bible believing Christian who is also a scientist who believes it.

  9. This is a quote from John Calvin:

    John Calvin weighs in on the matter:
    [The Christian is not to compromise so as to obscure the distinction between good and evil, and is to avoid the errors of] “those dreamers who have a spirit of bitterness and contradiction, who reprove everything and prevent the order of nature. We will see some who are so deranged, not only in religion but who in all things reveal their monstrous nature, that they will say that the sun does not move, and that it is the earth which shifts and turns. When we see such minds we must indeed confess that the devil possesses them, and that God sets them before us as mirrors, in order to keep us in his fear. So it is with all who argue out of pure malice, and who happily make a show of their imprudence. When they are told: “That is hot,” they will reply: “No, it is plainly cold.” When they are shown an object that is black, they will say that it is white, or vice versa. Just like the man who said that snow is black; for although it is perceived and known by all to be white, yet he clearly wished to contradict the fact. And so it is that they are madmen who would try to change the natural order, and even to dazzle eyes and benumb their senses.”—John Calvin, (Sermon on 1 Corinthians 10:19-24, Calvini Opera Selecta, Corpus Refomatorum, Vol 49, 677, trans. by Robert White in “Calvin and Copernicus: the Problem Reconsidered,” Calvin Theological Journal 15 1980, pages 233–243, at 236–237)

  10. Martin Luther, who weighs in on the matter:
    “There is talk of a new astrologer who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth.”—Martin Luther (in response to the publication of the brief “The Commentariolus of Copernicus,” which appeared a decade before “De Revolutionibus Orbium Caelestium (i).” This comes from Luther’s Tablebook “Tischreden,” or record of dinner-table conversations).

    Martin Luther, on the firmament:
    “We Christians must be different from the philosophers [i.e., scientists] in the way we think about the causes of things. And if some are beyond our comprehension like those before us concerning the waters above the heavens, we must believe them rather than wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity with our understanding.”—Martin Luther, Luther’s Works. Vol 1. Lectures on Genesis, ed. Jaroslav Pelikan (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1958), page 30

  11. @ James
    What is the name of your ”god” ?
    You wrote that some commentator is a part of a ”cult” , i believe all religions are cults. What happened to your ‘god’ ? I have read the Old Testament and it has ”god” speaking to many people even getting physical and wrestling with one whom won which shows me man is more powerful than ”god” . Yet in the New Testament ‘god’ is not present, not even when the character ”jesus” aks him a question. Who was jesus ? Why did he teach from the Hindu Vedas ? Ever heard of Caesarion ? What are your thoughts on the people today that call themselves ‘jews’ are they Semites ? Have you tested you earth curvature on the Salt Flats in Utah, has anyone ? You lambaste others forgetting information from ‘social media’, yet you have gotten EVERY bit of information you have from social media. the bible is social media as is conversations with others . where did ‘god’ come from ? you seem to think the Vatican rules the world or Rome or the popes whatever but without the bible what power would they have ? if the earth is flat does that mean it cannot tilt upon an axis such as the table game labyrinth ? and cannot the sky also move and revolve or rotate or ”spin” and how fast must the earth ”spin” would you consider it to ”spin” if it was only 1000MPH at the equator and without a reference of time how would you know the rate of rotation spin or revolution? Why are the days of the week named for gods and celestial objects ? Why is there no ”Godday” but there is an Odinsday ? and a Thorsday ? not eve a Jesussday ?

    • ROFL! It appears I stepped on the toes of your cognitive dissonance by exposing Flat Earth as a deception. Fact: I cannot see the sun at night while half of the rest of the people on earth do see it. My night is their day. Physics and geometry tell me that can only be if the earth is a rotating sphere. End of story.

      My God is the Creator of the Universe. The Bible is His words He gave us, humanity, in order to know Him. He has many names. “I am” is one of them. Denying that tells me you simply have never read the Bible. The Creator must live outside the Universe in order to have created it. I make PCs from parts. I don’t live inside the PC. Think about that for a while.

    • The earth is NOT spinning! It’s slowly rotating at HALF THE SPEED of the hour hand on an analog clock! You can’t even notice the movement of the hour hand of a clock unless you stare at it for a very loooooog time!

    • Isaiah 40:22 states that God “sits above the circle of the earth.“

      People like to debate and make straw men out of the ideas of some men without checking what God says.

  12. Seth Tipton said “ A Christian might say, “we have believed in everlasting torment for 2000 years, how could we be wrong after all that time?” The reason they have been wrong is because most Christians haven’t investigated their beliefs. They simply cling what they were first taught without studying the scriptures to see if it was true, and it ends there. Under those conditions, it makes perfect sense. Since nobody investigated the theory of a flat earth, people believed in a flat earth for a long time! They were wrong.

    Isn’t it an interesting trend throughout history that what man dogmatically assumes first, tends to be the opposite. We thought the earth was flat. It’s a sphere. We thought the sun revolved around the earth. It’s the opposite.” – end quote

    God’s Word says the earth is a circle:

    Isaiah 40:22
    English Standard Version
    22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,
    and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
    who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
    and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

    Quote from scientist Hugh Ross’ testimony when he searched for God through several major religions holy texts: I found the Bible noticeably different. It was simple, direct, and specific. I was amazed at the quantity of historical and scientific (i.e., testable) material it included and at the detail of this material. The first page of the Bible caught my attention. Not only did its author correctly describe the major events in the…

    • rest of Hugh Ross’ quote:
      I found the Bible noticeably different. It was simple, direct, and specific. I was amazed at the quantity of historical and scientific (i.e., testable) material it included and at the detail of this material. The first page of the Bible caught my attention. Not only did its author correctly describe the major events in the creation of life on earth, but He placed those events in the scientifically correct order and properly identified the earth’s initial conditions.

  13. The father of physics, Lord Ernest Rutherford, and Nikola Tesla, the greatest scientist ever, both knew the Theory of Relativity to be invalid, filled with errors, and nonsensical.
    Tesla did not believe in gravity, but instead believed everything can be explained using density, buoyancy and electromagnetic energy. He did not believe in the heliocentric model, but instead believed that earth was the center of the universe.
    All scientific experiments contradict a moving earth: Michelson/Morely, Sagnac, George Airy, James Bradley and Michelson/Gale all proved the earth doesn’t move. Earth doesn’t spin or rotate.
    Exalt set a new world record of 146 miles of microwave communication in 2015. It requires a straight line of sight. This is not possible on a globe earth, because the antenna should have been 2.38 miles below the line of sight.
    The Bible states that we live on an immovable earth with a firmament (a strong glass dome containing the sun, moon, and stars) above us. There are over 200+ Bible verses that describe a flat earth (circular/round not spherical/ball).
    NASA tells us that the moon’s light is a reflection of the sun’s light. The Bible states that the moon has it’s own light: Gen 1:16, Isaiah 13:10, 30:26, 60:19-20, Jeremiah 31:35, Matt 24:29, Mark 13:24, Ezekiel 32:7, Rev 21:3.
    Laser temperature guns prove that the moon’s light is colder than the shade. Magnified moon light becomes colder. This is empirical evidence that the moon gives it’s…

    • Fact 1: The sun cannot be seen at night.
      Fact 2: The sun is illuminating exactly 1/2 of the earth 24/7.
      Reason: The earth is a sphere.

      Any explanation that tells me otherwise is pure foolishness and pseudo-science. It makes me think you have never witnessed a sunset or a sunrise over a flat horizon or over a body of water large enough that you cannot see the opposite shore. Chicago is my home town. I have witnessed the sunrise over the water horizon of Lake Michigan just to the east when I was a kid. I now witness sunsets over the Pacific ocean looking west. The sun appears even larger over the horizon than it does high in the sky. Geometry tells me the earth, therefore, is a spherical shape.

  14. I’ve read from a few researchers that the reason why some believe in the Earth being a flat disk is that they cannot picture anything but a 2d world. They don’t think in terms of 3d! I myself believe this is related to the amount of attention and focus is placed on a flat computer screen. No joke. Schoola since the 60’s have focused mainly on scientific, rational, logical thinking. The emphasis on arts, humanities, creativity, right-brain thinking has decreased tremendously. What would be the result of such a change? Very little to no interest in anything unrelated to “factual” science or engineering, soul-killing, reductionist thinking. And let’s not even mention the effects of television and movies. The world has indeed become “flat” in a way. Should it then not be apparent that most can’t imagine the very world they live on is actually a sphere with three dimensions?

    • David, that’s a very interesting observation! The next time I engage with a Flat-earther, I’ll point out he’s looking at the world only in 2D because of looking at too many Flat-earth YouTubes on his flat-screen device. 🙂

James Japan