I hesitated to post more of these talks with Kevin Annett because the evil he is exposing is so abhorrent! It depresses me to hear it. But because I’ve been getting comments from readers of this website, I thought to post Mr. Annett’s most recent talk.

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Shaun Attwood: This series has just generated so much interest with people, not only as Kevin deconstructed the horrors of the Catholic Church and the Vatican. Last week we went over the Mormon Church. And you know a lot of people have been asking questions about the Vatican’s Ninth Circle, secret society, cult, call it whatever you want, the horrors that were performed. This week, Kevin will keep us up to date on all his latest news, and we’ll also take a deep dive into the Vatican’s Ninth Circle.

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Kevin Annett: Well the big news this week… Hi again Shaun and everyone, it’s great to be back as always. We talked several shows ago about the convening of this international common law court based on the new evidence about the so-called Pope Leo, and his ties with the Ninth Circle when he was ordained a priest in 1978. And after that, the court judges actually met for the first time last Monday, and I was on a Zoom call with them and the public prosecutor they’ve appointed. Now these are European folks, they were involved in our previous court case and they’re veterans of all of this, and not only this issue but the whole attempt to bring justice outside the existing court system which is totally compromised on these things.

So we met and one of the first things we did was the prosecutor actually interviewed two of the eyewitnesses I spoke about earlier, the German woman who saw Robert Prevost, the present Pope Leo, at two ceremonies of the Ninth Circle where she claimed he sexually assaulted her, spread blood on her from the baby they had just sacrificed, that kind of thing. And the Ninth Circle member who had come forward, an old man in his 80s who has taken advantage of the amnesty offered by the court. This is blanket amnesty for anyone who provides evidence.

So on the basis of that, we’re realizing we have to expand our kind of the purpose of this court. It isn’t simply to bring another case. We realize that the reason these crimes carry on is because there’s a whole political, religious, and financial infrastructure that supports them, the existing governments, the courts, the churches, the banks, and so we need to create, as we’ve done before, our own separate jurisdiction outside all of that in order to take action.

One of the things, for example, deputizing police to go in and stop these ceremonies, to make the arrests, to shut it down in other words. So we don’t want to dabble around, we want to go and just stop this whole system, and so it’s a big effort and requires everybody’s help in that. So that’s kind of a background to what I want to talk about today.

That picture you flashed on the screen, was actually one of our old witnesses, Toos Nijenhuis, and she was raised in the Ninth Circle. She’s a Dutch woman. I met her a number of times in Holland. She’s standing at the site where she was taken as a child. This is in a forest south of Brussels. She said she was taken there. The Belgian army had surrounded it and protected the ritual going on there, and she claimed the Queen Beatrix of Holland had provided teenagers from youth detention centers who were part of the human hunting party that took place there. The spot she’s standing is where the children were brought and burned alive, some of them, others eviscerated and killed and eaten like in the Ninth Circle ceremonies, and so that was the spot. That picture I think is from about 2013, but it’s an example of one of the witnesses, that’s Toos in one of our interviews. Her testimony is actually up online. You can see it on YouTube amazingly enough, but this is an example of what we’re looking at.

Now, let me go into some of the new evidence that the prosecutor has kind of vetted and allowed to be released. We can’t name specific places or individuals’ names at this point, but one of the pictures I did put up there is a place we can mention. It’s called the Schloss Höllinghofen. It’s a castle near Arnsburg, Germany, and it’s where our German eyewitness said she was taken there as a young child many times because she was born and raised in the cult, and you see they kill the eldest child of the sponsoring family, and then they use other children. They call them the goats that lead the sheep to the sacrifice, and it’s interesting they use those terms goats and sheep. It’s not only out of the Bible, but MK Ultra experiments in America and other places used exactly that same expression, that sheep are the people they use in the experiments, and the goats are the family members who lure them in and compromise them so that they can use them.

So that’s what we mean by this infrastructure around it. It isn’t just a bunch of loonies. They’ve got a whole system in place to protect them legally, politically, and everywhere religiously.

And so anyway, at this Schloss Höllinghofen, this guy called Cardinal Franz Hengsbach, and I sent you his picture. He conducted the ceremony where she saw a little boy, four years old, first assaulted and horribly tortured and then killed by this man. And at the same ceremony, they brought in a baby who was barely one year old and did the same thing to the baby, if you can imagine that, penetrating a baby, it’s beyond belief, but this is part of the ritual.

The higher you go up in the Ninth Circle cult the more grizzly the ritual is, and the more they test people. So if you’re in the higher echelons, kind of like a 33rd-degree mason, you’re in the higher echelons in the Ninth Circle, like this guy, you’re all standing there naked, covered in the blood of your victim. They go into the ceremony, and if you’re not willing to rape and torture and violate these little newborn babies, you’re instantly killed yourself. Your throat is cut and your blood is used.

And our German eyewitness described that happening, including at the ceremony in 1978, where the present Pope was inducted into the Ninth Circle cult with John Paul II, Karol Wojtyła. And so this individual is one of the, unfortunately, he died in 1991, this Cardinal.

But before they die, they have this ritual whereby they believe their soul can be passed on to the next person in line in the Ninth Circle cult. And they did this ceremony, and we can’t release the name of the person he passed it on to, but it’s another high Roman cleric, also from Germany.

Another thing this witness said is, that there was a doctor working closely with the church nearby, and beneath his house, it was a basement area, and it was kind of like a gymnasium. But when you go in there, there’s a secret door, and in the wall, an extended wall was a whole area where they kept the children in cages.

And also, they did these things, they’re like bloodletting ceremonies, but also they had all these nuns taking blood from children before they were killed. And, they talk about blood samples, and DNA samples all the time, in developing ethnically targeted bioweapons, things like that. The military’s done that all over the world. And so this is what I mean about it has a military application too, they were experimenting on the children, not just using them in these arcane ceremonies.

So that’s some of what the prosecutor has come up with already in just less than one week. And we’ve had indications that there are more people, including in Interpol, and like I mentioned before, the Italian government, who have their own files on the Ninth Circle, but they’ve been ready, or kind of waiting for the right environment in which to release these things.

Shaun Attwood: So let’s go over this Ninth Circle a bit more slowly then, Kevin. When was it first introduced, the Ninth Circle?

Kevin Annett: Vatican records describe it being formed in the time of the Jesuits, in the 1500s, and the Jesuits using it as a political device to control popes, cardinals, and kings, and politicians all over Europe.

And so don’t forget, the Jesuits were formed to kill Queen Elizabeth first, that was their first kind of act, because she was the only Protestant monarch opposing Rome. And the Spanish, about the Spanish Armada trying to invade England, that Jesuits were formed right at that time as a secret army. And this is one of the weapons of the secret army, right?

They also based it on very old Roman rituals, which we’ve talked about. And that’s, that energy center in Rome, and the Jesuit headquarters right down the road from St. Peter’s Square, it’s literally on the same street, the San Lorenzo Church, that was where the first Ninth Circle ceremonies were actually held. And that’s from Vatican records. Also, other references over the centuries, eyewitnesses describing that.

And it’s sprouted all over the world now, it goes by different names, like, as I’ll talk about in a while, that picture of the Vancouver Club in Canada, it’s called the 12 Mile Club. And that’s because they operate, when we shone a light on the Vancouver Club back in the 90s, they moved their practices offshore onto yachts, and then they go outside the 12 mile territorial limit, dump the bodies. Yeah, that’s the spot.

Now, I’ve actually, recently, we’ve been talking to city workers in Vancouver, because this building, right downtown Vancouver on the waterfront, it’s perched above the vast kind of tunnel network that exists under Vancouver. Dating from about the 1880s, when the city was first founded, the early bootleggers used these tunnels to bring in the booze. But then later, the government and the churches and that took it over because all of the major churches run right along that axis along what’s called Burrard Street. It’s like an energy line. And all these, churches were began to protest that. No wonder the police began to get very paranoid, and started making arrests when this happened, when other people began protesting, because it’s right at the center of kind of demonic activity in Vancouver.

Now, we have interviewed people who came out there of that early on a Saturday morning, children who were taken in Friday night, limousines that go to the Squamish Indian Reservation, right across the sound from this building, and brought in. I mean, all of that is in MurderByDecree.com. We had that aspect thoroughly documented. But recently, the city workers have agreed to take our investigators down into the tunnels, right under that Vancouver club.

One of these guys whose testimony I heard was too scared to talk about what they had found down there. But, based on past experiences in these tunnels, it’ll be undoubtedly linked to these sacrificial rituals, and the kind of thing that the other witnesses have described in Europe.

Shaun Attwood: So you said then that they lifted the term from Dante’s Inferno. And just to expand on that, it says here, the Ninth Circle of hell, the deepest and most horrifying, is a frozen wasteland reserved for traitors. The circle is divided into four sub-circles, each with a specific type of betrayal. Those who dwell here are frozen in a lake of ice, with the depth of their immersion determining the severity of their punishment. So whose idea was it then? Do you know who originated it?

Kevin Annett: Well, Dante Alighieri, the Italian poet, wrote that in the 14th century. It was interesting. He was actually a confidant of various popes. He was an insider in the Vatican, so he knew what he was talking about. And ironically, in some of the censored writing, which is, he wrote it as a poem in order to conceal as well, so he wasn’t killed. But he’s referring to Vatican practices, and the most heinous sin is to betray the trust of a child, to betray innocence, either within ourselves or in the world.

That’s what Satan likes the best, in terms of grabbing souls, if you like, the essence of a human being is their innocence, their godlike relation with children and each other. And if you betray that and sacrifice that, you get ultimate satanic power, that’s the belief. So it comes from that, but it’s even deeper, because it has to do with, things that people have alluded to, but there hasn’t been a lot of hard evidence on, but having to do with energy captivation, definitely subterranean portals that open up and energetic portals.

One of the Ninth Circle practices in Arizona is near the Vatican observatory they have there. It’s built right on the land where the Anasazi or the Apache native people say, in their oral traditions, the sky opened many centuries ago, long before the white people came, the sky opened and dragon people came through to subvert and destroy humanity. And that’s where they build the Vatican observatory. And it’s one of the areas in America where more children go missing than anywhere else. And a lot of them disappear off the Indian reservations. And, we’ve had social workers who’ve talked to us, we’ve had cops who go in there to try to find out about it. And they get shut down by the FBI like that. I mean, it’s instant arrest, smear campaign, the usual thing they do incarceration, all that. So I mean, that’s another piece of it, right. But it shows you how global this thing is.

Shaun Attwood: Let me just add a bit more to that, then. So the Ninth Circle is dedicated to those who betrayed trust, whether to their families, their countries, or their benefactors. Circle is further divided into four rings based on the type of betrayal committed.

The first one is C A I N A, named after the biblical Cain. This ring is for those who betrayed family members. Next one is A N T E N O R A, named after Antenor of Troy. This ring is for those who betrayed their political or national allegiances. And then P T O L O M E A. This ring is for those who betrayed their hosts or guests, often by killing them after receiving their hospitality. And then we’ve got J U D E C C A. The innermost ring where Satan himself is located is for those who betrayed the benefactors or masters, including Judas Iscariot, Brutus, and Cassius.

Those in the Ninth Circle are frozen in a lake of ice. With the depth of their immersion reflecting the severity of their betrayal, the worst sinners, those in J U D E C C A, are entirely encased in the ice. Satan, the embodiment of evil, resides in the center of the Ninth Circle where he eternally chews on Judas, Brutus, and Cassius.

Dante, as he descends into the Ninth Circle, expresses fear and even remains silent in Satan’s presence, a marked departure from his usual curiosity and questioning. Wow.

Kevin Annett: Now what’s interesting about that is there are different agendas at all times, kind of mixed up. Like in the Bible, you’ve got multiple books and messages stuck together into one book.

Now here, for example, they say the worst traitors are Brutus and Cassius. Well, they were actually, in the light of history, they were actually the good guys. They were trying to get rid of Caesar, who was trying to have absolute authority, like a Pope does, right? So the Vatican agenda is in there to say, don’t overthrow a monarch. That’s a bad thing, right? And they’re going to go to hell.

So there’s kind of the church message in there, but it’s designed to obfuscate and confuse the other message, which is, that you notice in that, the official account, there’s no mention of children. There’s no mention of our betrayal of our own soul. And so you’ve got to pick out the particle of truth and a lot of the fogging that goes around an institutional kind of message that’s in there, which is, slaves, never disobey your master, never challenge authority, never challenge a king or a Pope or whatever. That’s what’s in the official kind of Dante, or the Inferno thing, designed to instill fear in the masses of people and have them keep going to church, right? So you’ve got to separate that from kind of the thread that runs through this, which is that by naming it the Ninth Circle, they’re saying, we are harnessing the forces of Satan.

And that’s why, like I mentioned before, the present Pope, when he took his vow as a priest in October 1978, he also took the vow in the Ninth Circle at the same time to serve both, and that’s part of this whole thing.

Shaun Attwood: So what year approximately did they incorporate this into the [Catholic] Church?

Kevin Annett: I believe it was before the time of the Jesuits. I believe it was in the high Middle Ages. I would say like 12th, 13th century at least. Although because it’s based on Roman practices, the practice of it is much older, it’s thousands of years old. It just has that particular spin on it since the Middle Ages. Because don’t forget, that’s when there began to be opposition developing within the church about papal practices. And that’s what led to the Reformation.

Actually, another link to me is my ancestors in Italy, their last name was Arnati, A-R-N-A-T-I. And we, around the 13th century, when that book was written, we had to flee into France, because we were what were called Waldensians. And the Waldensians were the early Protestants. They said, we don’t need the Pope, we don’t need practices, we’re just going to live like the Bible tells us to. And they got horribly persecuted and burned out of Italy, just like we were later in France, right, kind of always on the move.

It’s an old, it’s a response to dissonance within the Church who start challenging it, like so many people are doing now, challenging this false religion.

Shaun Attwood: So if you were to list the purposes of the Ninth Circle in the Church, how would that, what would that list look like?

Kevin Annett: It’s mushroomed from an original arcane practice of, like I say, political control, it’s a huge financial operation now, it’s tied in with the military, whereby we know that the military has used these ceremonies for experimental purposes.

You know, the big thrust of, as we know, a lot of the MKLTRA and other experiments for many decades has been, how do you control the human mind so that people can continue to function but have no critical reasoning left, don’t have the ability to say no, they’ve lost the ability to resist, say no, or act on their convictions. You know, they meddle with the pain threshold in the human mind and all that to find out the limits of these things. The Nazis began that, they came over to America under Project Paperclip and continued it. So it’s a multi-headed thing now, and that’s why the political, the politicians, the legal system, they back right away from this whole thing because they’re part of it, they feed it themselves and they’re fed by it. So, we’re dealing with a real beast here, it isn’t just some weirdos in red robes.

Shaun Attwood: Why are the rituals so extreme? Is it to see how far they can get the individual members to go? Is it to compromise people?

Kevin Annett: All of that, it’s Anne-Marie von Bienberg, one of our witnesses, was a lawyer who was invited to a chateau for a banquet and she shows up and everyone’s walking to another room and a lot of them leave and she’s left standing there with a kid on an altar. And at that point the door shuts, they film the whole thing, she’s compromised, right? They do that consistently.

One of the guys they did it with who’s still in power, Mark Rutte, R-U-T-T-E, former premier or prime minister of Holland, now he has one of the top spots in NATO, they’ve elevated him, which you tend to, the more you do this stuff, the higher up you go in the system.

I mean, NATO, right? And so yeah, it’s designed to compromise, but you’re right, to test, like with anything, you see how far people are willing to go. If you’re willing to go the distance and have no morality, you go to the top, right? And so it’s that too, but it’s also part of the, it’s an addiction, they’re addicted to stuff and when you’re into an addiction, you have to do it more and more and more and more until it just sucks you dry and there’s nothing left. There’s no human being left, there’s no soul left.

And I believe that’s what happens, that’s why you’re, when you’re at these high levels, they wear a mask, like you see a picture of the popes and they’re always smiling and beneficent, but those are doctored photos because people who’ve met them in person all say the same thing. They have these black dead eyes like, a shark. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a shark’s eye, but it’s just a predator, nothing there, but deadliness. And that’s what you become when you’re part of this, right? Yeah, he could qualify for sure.

Shaun Attwood: He looks really dangerous, Kevin.

Kevin Annett: Yeah, when you read more of these testimonies to see what a monster the guy is, and it was, but his successor, is doing exactly the same stuff as we speak. And that’s why we’re determined to shut down these things and not simply, research and expose it.

Shaun Attwood: Kevin is risking his life talking about these things. So it’s very important if we can support his work, all of his links are in the description box, you can get his books, etc.

And we’re discussing the Ninth Circle. And Kevin has talked about the origins of it so far, and also the purpose of it over the years. And you did touch on something there, about these characters, how they get addicted to the torture and the torment. So would you say you could add to that list of its functions, then, is the personal gratification these people get from doing these horrific things to people?

Kevin Annett: Absolutely that, and having, even years ago, in my salad days, when I was a minister, I did prison ministry, and I’ve talked to serial killers, and serial, bad people, and they get they get a high off it. They’re honest and said, Yeah, well, we it’s just what we do to get to get our high. And it’s like a, it’s like a drug that you need more and more of.

And so yeah, it’s like anything these wealthy people do. It’s always and it isn’t just the Church. These things happen in all sorts of communities. I remember when I first started my work in Vancouver, there was a fairly famous media commentator whose name was Jack Webster. He was known all over BC, like in the mainstream media.

And when I started investigating this stuff, he called me down and we had a, we went out to dinner together. And he said, I’ve known about the Vancouver club and what those people do there for many, many years. Everybody knows, it’s totally protected, you’ll never uncover it. You’ll never get these guys before justice, even into a court. He said they pass children around like a good bottle of wine. That’s how they view it. They have no conscience. And it isn’t just them. It’s all their rich friends. They all do it. And you get anywhere close to that and you’re dead.

He listed a bunch of reporters and cops who had tried to. And so he said, “I wish you luck, son.” He died the next year. But I mean, that’s right from somebody right in the system. He was a confidant of all those guys. You know, so I mean, that’s how it operates.

Shaun Attwood: So, you mentioned people being compromised outside of the Vatican there. And if you look at the leaders of Europe right now, it’s an absolute freak show from Keir Starmer here to Macron, et cetera. So are you saying then that even though this ritual is in-house at the Vatican, people are brought, outsiders are brought into it, perhaps at the head of politics and in power positions? Is that how it works?

Kevin Annett: Well, absolutely. As a matter of fact, Toos, whose picture you saw there, Toos Nijenhuis in the in-house said one of the first places she was taken as a child was Carnarvon Castle in Wales, where Philip and Charles were present at these ceremonies.

And, an example of the political power of this, when Toos Nijenhuis and other people in Europe took this to the European Parliament, there was a member of the European Parliament who took this on. He lasted about a month, and then they threw him out, even though he had parliamentary immunity. He went to jail for six months. They went after his house and his family, just for raising the fact it was in relation to that Marc Dutroux case.

If you remember Marc Dutroux in Belgium, who was caught with like literal body parts in his house. And in the original court statement he made, the police statement that was then edited out, he made reference to the Dutch royal family members who were with him. And that got edited out and everything.

So, Laurent Louis, this was the name of the European Parliament member, he got up in European Parliament and named Mark Rutte as a member of this cult and said, we want to reopen the Marc Dutroux case. Next thing you know, bang, he’s gone. We couldn’t find him for a while because he was in prison. There goes parliamentary immunity when you mentioned the Ninth Circle, right? So this shows you the network all through the political system, right?

Shaun Attwood: Yeah, let me just add a little bit to that then. So, Marc Dutroux, we have covered a bit of this before, was a convicted serial rapist and doing these things to kids as well. Convicted of abduction and rape of five young girls in 1989, released on parole after just three years imprisonment.

Arrested again in 1996 on suspicion of having abducted, tortured six girls between eight and 19, four of whom were un-alive. His widely publicized trial ended with his conviction on all charges in 2004. And then he was sentenced to life in prison.

Accomplices include his wife, a few other names here. And anyway, there’s other news stories saying that he himself has insisted that he was part of a ring. And speaking as his trial drew to a close, he expressed his sincere regret, but did not ask forgiveness of the victims’ families. So is he the fall guy then for this ring?

Kevin Annett: Yeah, I mean, it’s like whenever you catch one person, they’re the scapegoat and they have to play along and they’re grounded things that they do. But here’s again, like what I mentioned right at the beginning of the show, you run into the political fact that in the existing system, it’s a rigged game. You cannot get justice, you cannot save children. And that’s why we emphasize so much the common law courts setting up sovereign republics like we did in Canada. There’s a movement in England to do the same thing. As a matter of fact, when I come in Europe to Europe in September to help the court, I’m going to be coming to England.

I’m even writing a letter to King Charles, inviting him to tea and saying, look, let’s talk about how you need to abdicate. You need to step down because the crown is convicted criminal institution. We need a republic just like you used to have in England in 1649. It should be entertaining. But we got to act from our own jurisdiction, our own power. This is the only way things ever come out.

Shaun Attwood: OK, so, we’ve touched on the origins of it and the purposes of the Ninth Circle. So how did it evolve over the centuries in the church?

Kevin Annett: Well, that’s hard to piece together, although it’ll be easier recently. As I mentioned, we have and there’s more confirmation now that we’re going to get this log. It’s an actual journal written in Latin, held in the secret archives of the Vatican. Apparently, somebody has accessed it and has copies of it, and they’re getting it to our prosecutor. This is a record going back to 1870 of all the participants in the Ninth Circle. Now, only in the Vatican. That doesn’t cover all of Europe, but at least it’s got the it. It apparently has Robert Prevost, Pope Leo’s name in it, confirming what the eyewitness said, seeing him at those rituals.

Now, we’re always wary of fabricated stuff that’s going to then prove to be wrong. And then it de-legitimates us and makes us look like we’re making it all up. And this is standard practice. So we never publish anything unless, A, it’s confirmed by at least three other sources who don’t know each other. And also, B, a separate archival confirmation, because this stuff exists.

And it’s like we found in Canada. We had the eyewitness testimonies of mass murder in these Indian death camps run by the churches. We had documentation confirming the eyewitness testimony showing the 50% death rate in these places. And we had forensic evidence from digs we had done, like at the Mohawk Church of England school, all confirmed.

That’s all you need in a court of law to convict. And so when people say we’re making stuff up, say, okay, let’s see the evidence that we’re making it up. Let’s see your counter evidence. And none of the naysayers ever provide that evidence. They just name call, which is what you do when you don’t have evidence. You just attack the witnesses.

So we’re on fairly solid ground, especially since we’ve got a bite from people within Interpol who know all about this stuff. I mean, don’t forget Interpol goes back a long ways and they’ve come across this stuff all the time. They’re not allowed politically to intervene, but they have the evidence. They have the information. And apparently from the prosecutor, they’re beginning to access more of this.

Shaun Attwood: So keep your questions coming in for Kevin, folks. Jane asked, is one of the purposes of the Ninth Circle energy harvesting?

Kevin Annett: Yeah, we’ve talked about that. It’s a process that I don’t understand, but other people do. We have kind of psychic investigators working with us too, people who’ve taken us right to grave sites.

And they say it’s multi-dimensional energy harvesting. And Rome is kind of a center of that energetically, but it happens all over the planet depending on where the energy lines are and everything. And yeah, so that’ll be part of the evidence to that discussion.

Shaun Attwood: And the location of these rituals is on ley lines, someone asked.

Kevin Annett: Sometimes, but not always. Like for example, you know where Queen Elizabeth and Philip abducted those 10 children, native children at the Kamloops school, and they were never seen again. You trace the latitude of Dead Man’s Creek where they vanished, and it goes exactly through the Isle of Wight. And you all know about the Isle of Wight. I mean, it’s a kind of a demonic center. So yeah, those, and near just south of Stonehenge as well, and Glastonbury. So I mean, yeah, there are those definite lines, but there’s also other places.

These Ninth Circle people are just human as well. They have protection, but they screw up sometimes. And there have been occasions like when we broke up that ceremony in Montreal, it was happening beneath Rennes-de-Mont Cathedral in Montreal, Marie Rennes-de-Mont. And yeah, these guys then take off to a place in the country, in the Quebec country. They were later tracked down and found that they’d gone to a safe house where they also tried to do these things. So enough pressure is brought to bear and these people break, even with all the protection in the world. And so that’s why we keep emphasizing now it’s time for action. We’ve got a lot of evidence, a lot of information. Now, how do we stop them? That’s the question before the court, right?

Shaun Attwood: So has there been infighting in the Ninth Circle and does it have like a set leader?

Kevin Annett: There was a big infighting going on between Ratzinger and Bergoglio, between Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons that Pope Benedict Ratzinger stepped down after we brought out this evidence is there was, remember I mentioned how the Spanish government had looked at our evidence, wrote to Ratzinger and said, you may face arrest if you come to Spain. Then he resigns February, 2013. One of the people who did that was a guy, he was the Spanish ambassador to the Vatican, Baruga, his name was. He was a close confidant of guess who, Jorge Bergoglio, who then became Pope Francis.

So the Francis faction, and I’ll talk about that, who they are, they exploited what we’re doing in order to ease out, kind of bounce out Ratzinger to allow Francis to look like this wonderful saint who’s replaced the bad emperor, right? And yeah, I mean, he even looked like the evil emperor, right? So now you bring in smiley faced Frank named after Francis of Assisi, the contrast reassures everybody that, oh, good, the church is back in good hands now, as if the Pope has any power, right? You know, so that’s part of the game that’s played, and it definitely was a factor in getting Ratzinger out, their enemy of their enemy was their friend, kind of thing, but there you go, smiley Frank, right?

And you’ll notice the guy who’s in now, Bob Prevost, he’s also a smiley guy, you got to keep up the image because more and more of this dirt is coming out. So you got to keep people’s head in the bubble that, depending on how one guy smiles determines the health of the church. So anyway, the Francis faction, this guy, was not the old Italian guard, like Ratzinger was kind of the old European mob. He’s with China, was with the China faction. As we’ve talked about, their money is going east. That’s why Biden and other US presidents go over and, yeah, there is another Frank number two, there.

And so it’s part of the political shift, the new faction in the church that this guy also represents, is the pro-China lobby, and they’re going into the BRICS alliance and all that. So it comes down to that money issue as well.

Shaun Attwood: Yeah. I mean, look at the contrast, viewers, in these smiley guys. We’ve got smiley guy one, smiley guy two, versus the dead eyes of these guys. That’s a whole different front, isn’t it, for PR purposes?

Kevin Annett: Yeah. And don’t forget those pictures you’re looking at of the smiley guys are doctored, so you don’t see their eyes. And we’ve even talked to media people in, those are not his eyes. We’ve talked to media people in Italy who do this, who are hired not only by the church, but corporations, governments. When you’ve got some real bastard, you’ve got to make him look good, right? So it’s AI technology kind of appealing to what people want to see. Some nice guy at the helm, so we’ll all be taken care of while they do all these heinous crimes off at the side.

Shaun Attwood: They probably have the same people come in who do, with the female models in the photos, they dilate the eyes so they look more seductive, et cetera. But you’re saying they do the same thing with the pictures of the popes?

Kevin Annett: Absolutely. Why wouldn’t they? It’s the richest corporation on the planet. Why wouldn’t they be doing it even more for these guys? Because they even have a lot more. They’ve got 2,000 years of crime to cover up. So they’re going to be the prime recipient of these efforts. But I know from personal experience, I’ve met some of these people when we did the church occupations. I’ve looked into the eyes of these priests and archbishops and the church people who got rid of me. Same deadness, same lack of empathy. And it just reminds me how demonic this thing is and how universal it is we’re dealing with. The best cover for evil is a church, right?